I'm really thinking of...

[MazKid]

...supercharging my car. I feel it's the best way for me to make my car faster but keep it reliable. That said, I was looking at Miata setups and something struck me as obviously simple.

The main difference between the layout of the BP in the Protege and the BP in the Miata is the way the intake manifold faces: Miata flows in from the left, Protege flows in from the right.

As with below:


On a Protege, to get this to work all I see as really necessary is to turn the supercharger outlet around 180 degrees so that it flows correctly to the Protege intake manifold. That's do-able. So if I did that, then made the piping work(pretty simple), and get the belt system working correctly, what else would I need? Granted I can sorta tune my airflow meter to get a better air-fuel ratio, I think it would work.

The main issue is the price of the kit. If someone could enlighten me on the parts I'd really need, I could locate a supercharger separate and other parts and make this work.

[*PL*]

You would probably need more fuel (more lph fuel pump) - easy to find and cheap
And also bigger injectors - a bit harder to find and a bit pricey
Last is only optional - An intercooler will greatly reduce your chance of having knock (aka pinging) by cooling intake air temp a lot !

ok, right there you have bigger injectors wich your fuel maps a not made for !!! So you will need somthing to compensate for this. I dont know if S-AFC work on our cars ? but it is pretty sheap and effective.

Hope this helps a bit

[MazKid]

Could I not just tune my VAF to make the car run "richer" to compensate? I could get bigger injectors easily.

You see this is my only car, and will be for a few months because I'm not allowed to get another car until my brother moves out with his 2 cars, which could be a while. Might as well make my car faster now. Jackson Racing says that the install takes 6-8 hrs which is fine, and mine would prolly take less because I'm not dealing with all of the parts in thier kit.

Now all I gotta do is decide between a M45 JR or M62...bigger is better right! I actually found a Miata setup on E-bay for $1,400...is that too much? It has everything I need and then some. The JR kit new is $2,495...

[91ProtegeLX]

well if you restrict your VAF that much, you won't get all the power im guessing. Plus it will probably idle like ****. If you really want to do it cheap, get a FMU, and some rx7 injectors and fuel pump. Easy.

[white lightning]

On a Protege, to get this to work all I see as really necessary is to turn the supercharger outlet around 180 degrees so that it flows correctly to the Protege intake manifold. That's do-able. So if I did that, then made the piping work(pretty simple), and get the belt system working correctly, what else would I need? Granted I can sorta tune my airflow meter to get a better air-fuel ratio, I think it would work.

could u take all the intake pipin and intake stuff off the miata and switch it to ur pro instead of flipin the supercharger...? just a thaught, dont know if its posible...

[MazKid]

I donno...though I do know where a Miata intake manifold is(if it's still there), at a local junkyard...unfortunately there's no Proteges at the same yard for me to try it on.

If it did work, there's the problem of space on that side of the engine bay, so it might not work anyway.

While switching around the supercharger outlet could work, the bypass wouldn't. So I might try it the Miata intake manifold way sometime.

[Tazman2]

Let me know what you find out as i was also thinking of going SCed to stay reliable and ease of install since the EGT is my daily driver now!

[MazKid]

Well I almost don't see how this wouldn't work except for the bypass problem. As you can see in this picture:


The outlet would turn around, but it would interfere with the bypass. I could possibly use a hose to connect that up but it would be crammed under the outlet.

I wish I had the kit to test with, instead of estimating and then buying $1400 worth...

[P-rotege]

You may not even need to change the routing of the discharge duct if you intsall a FMIC you could route the piping down the passenger side through the FMIC and back up the driver side and into the throttle-body. It would take a little more plumbing work, but the current discharge duct would probably work just fine. I have been contemplating this kit for a little while as well, I'm trying to keep my car emmisions-compatible as I live in California. As long as all the pullies and mounting brackets will line-up I don't see too many issues with the setup.

Where is the S/C air inlet located?

[jitb37]

You may not even need to change the routing of the discharge duct if you intsall a FMIC you could route the piping down the passenger side through the FMIC and back up the driver side and into the throttle-body. It would take a little more plumbing work, but the current discharge duct would probably work just fine. I have been contemplating this kit for a little while as well, I'm trying to keep my car emmisions-compatible as I live in California. As long as all the pullies and mounting brackets will line-up I don't see too many issues with the setup.

Where is the S/C air inlet located?

that seems liek a very easy fix. MAtter of a afact a great solution. i think the inlet is in the back somewhere it HAS to be. The S/c should mount right up and line right up to the fwd BP, and everything, get u some piping and a fmic and it can easily be done.

[Mazda_Powered]

http://www.feoa.net/modules.php?ame=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12049&highlight=supercharger

a guy threw a mercedes supercharger on his car, running around 8-9psi with a different pulley.

im sure someone here could do it, and re-design the piping to be better flowing, larger diameter, which would equal more power. oh, and he's only using a 12:1 FMU.

JACK

[Mazda_Powered]

aww crap the link doesnt work, go to www.feoa.net and go 'search' for supercharger and the post is on the 2nd page, 4th post.

good luck

JACK

[MazKid]

The air inlet is right on the back side of the supercharger opposite the pulley. That's the easy part since that goes from the driver's side in the Protege, where the intake already is...all I'd need would be a straight piece of pipe and a small bend like I already have.

All I need to do now is get a list of all of the parts I need so I don't have to buy a kit. So far I have:
Supercharger
mounting brackets
tensioner pulleys/mounting
drive belt
piping(my brother has that covered, he collects Volvo intercooler piping and other bits that I could put together)
Power card
injectors
fuel pump
intercooler(thinking a MazdaSpeed Miata one)
clamps

Sounds about right...

[ThatCarGuy]

Hey Mazkid, I got a M45 for sale... right out of kompressor. Has a aftermarket pulley on it too... pm me if interested.

[P-rotege]

Hey Mazkid, I got a M45 for sale... right out of kompressor. Has a aftermarket pulley on it too... pm me if interested.

Is that what the JR Miata kit uses?