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wow this is great.. 3 pages of worthless talking and no progress.. and even when you are given a post from a relative of someone (RX-7_2ner) who works in a shop that has a dyno and actually sees the results with his own eyes. his post is ignored and someone jokes that he should be banned because well jesus christ someone might come in here and burst this little bubble that we live in and have somthing that might prove us wrong. im not saying he's right though.. but im also not saying he's wrong. think about it.. what would be the point of lying about that.. there isnt one, or maybe he just wants everyone to get the most HP out of there car that they can? *dramatic chord* god forbid we try to *gulp* help people?!?!. either way i dont give a damn what anyone else thinks.. ive already emailed the owner of this board to get my account deleted, becuase i have no interest in being a member here anymore, i just thought that i would put my 2 sents in just once.
P.S. its not royal purple but if anyone remembers awhile back super street did an article where they took a whole bunch of cars and switched them to redline synthetic and they all gained whp on the dyno, idont remember which issue it was in but im sure someone will dig it upLast edited by 240SXSR20DET; 12-23-2005, 05:52 PM.
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[QUOTE=240SXSR20DET]wow this is great.. 3 pages of worthless talking and no progress..QUOTE]
Well, speaking purely for myself, all of my posts are important, relevant, technically sophisticated and practically required reading on our Forum. However, if you want to forego the privilege of remaining on the Forum and expanding both your knowledge base and your worth as a human being by your continued association with our fantastic members, there is little we can do about it except to wish you a happy life and Godspeed.
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Originally posted by RX7_2nerno. i think i'd rather believe dyno results than bad-talking and sentences ripped from other websites.
The dyno operator is hardly what I'd call an objective observer as he spends a good part of his time shilling for Royal Purple. I prefer my dyno operators impartial and objective. Next, the testing protocol is never specified. Just changing the protocol alone increases wheel HP output even in the absence of any performance upgrade. Then, notice that it's not just the engine oil that gets changed but also the transmission and differential oil. Now how do we separate out just the effect of the engine oil from the total mix, particularly since any reduction in driveline friction will also up the wheel HP when measured on a chassis dyno. Now the results: with the testing protocol unspecified, the HP climbed from the baseline 302.4 to 310.8 after the Royal Purple treatment. That's a difference of 8.4 HP or an increase of 2.8%.
To digress for a moment, Red Line, the maker of a highly respected true synthetic oil derived from Polyol ester Group V base stock, states that switching to their engine oil can produce a HP increase typically of 1 to 3%. This is just from an engine oil change alone. In a 3rd gen Protege, this would at best raise the HP from 130 to 133.9-certainly an excellent result to be obtained from just an engine oil change. So even if the Royal Purple video is accurate and truthful, their purported results are hardly earth-shattering and certainly in line with (but not superior to) Red Line's data. Since Red Line provides the most complete info on their oils with respect to any other synthetic oil website, I tend to trust their data above that of any other oil company.
Now let's get to the question of Royal Purple oil itself. I don't give a damn what oil anyone on this Forum uses or how much they swear by it. What I do care about is trying to prevent our members from being ripped-off by what I consider to be marketing scams. Unfortunately, some of you are too lazy, or too egotistical or too n00bish to even think of doing a search to see if your current topic of interest has already been discussed. Others seem to feel, why should I learn anything on my own when I can have others do all the work for me? If those who fall into these categories had done a search, they would have found it's not me bad-mouthing Royal Purple but rather the maker themselves, who provide little useful info about its constituents, and their satellite websites that openly admit their oil is NOT a true synthetic. Now, if those of you who love Royal Purple don't mind paying a premium price for a non-synthetic oil, please continue to do so. However, if you plan to get on the Forum and tell us how superior it is to other oils, you ought to have some irrefutable data to back it up or you're just wasting our time. As we've already seen, unsupported dyno results don't constitute irrefutable data.
There's plenty of info about oils on our Forum. All you have to do, LOL, is do a search.
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so, who got owned? i don't need to do a search, i have experience. if you guys don't believe that bikes did gain rwhp from that, then oh well. i guess the numbers could be higher since bikes do rev much higher than most car/truck engines. Yet, even harleys gained a bit of power.
as for putting royal purple/synthetic oils in a protege, i would find it pointless, unless there actually is internal engine work done to it.
btw, LOL, i didn't watch that video.Last edited by RX7_2ner; 12-25-2005, 07:41 PM.89 Supra Turbo
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what video are you talking about RX7?
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Originally posted by Silentbob343Even the strap tension can affect dyno #s.
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MP3 Shifter, Knob and Aluminum Pedal Set
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Originally posted by RX7_2nerso, who got owned? i don't need to do a search, i have experience. if you guys don't believe that bikes did gain rwhp from that, then oh well. i guess the numbers could be higher since bikes do rev much higher than most car/truck engines. Yet, even harleys gained a bit of power.
as for putting royal purple/synthetic oils in a protege, i would find it pointless, unless there actually is internal engine work done to it.
btw, LOL, i didn't watch that video.
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MSP Springs, Struts, Stabilizer Bars, Trailing Links, #3 Engine Mount
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MP3 Shifter, Knob and Aluminum Pedal Set
Suvlights HD Wiring Harness; Osram Night Breaker H4 Bulbs; Exide Edge AGM Battery
Summer: 5Zigen FN01R-C 16 x 7" Wheels; Yoko S.drive 205/45-16s
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Power Slot Front Brake Rotors; Techna-Fit SS Brake Lines; Hawk HPS Pads
Red Line Synthetic Engine Oil; C/S Aluminum Oil Cap
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Originally posted by goldstarYes, this is another example of what I'm talking about. For those of you who don't think dyno operator bias is a significant factor in producing inaccurate HP ratings (usually overstated), the SAE itself recognizes the problem and is currently doing something about it. SAE standard J1349 that specifies how SAE net BHP is to be calculated has recently been revised (March 2005) to tighten up testing proceedures and eliminate some of the arbitrary choices being made by testers that result in overstating HP. Additionally, the SAE has established a new voluntary standard, J2723, that requires independent testing overseen by a disinterested 3rd party and that will result in a new category, SAE 'Certified' net BHP.
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